Dharma, Destiny & Divine Design: A Vedic Astrologer's Guide To Your Life’s Path

What if you came to Earth with a divine design and a map of your life already written in the stars?

This week, Gervase sits down with Carol Allen, a Vedic astrologer with 34 years of experience to explore how this ancient system can offer profound insights into your life's purpose, relationships, and spiritual path.

This isn't your typical horoscope chat. Carol shares how Vedic astrology—practiced for thousands of years in India—reveals your “celestial DNA” and why understanding your divine design can free you from the Western pressure to be something maybe you’re not meant for, and help you live in alignment with your soul’s true destiny.

Listen to this episode now to discover:

• Why Vedic astrology is different from Western astrology and how it works as “ancient technology” for understanding your soul's path

• How your chart is your celestial DNA, a snapshot of the Universe the moment you took your first breat

• Why Western hyperindividualism is making us miserable and how ancient wisdom shows us we're all interconnected frequency beings

• The concept of dharma and why you're not meant to force yourself into someone else's blueprint for success

• Why finding love isn't just about you, it's about both people's destinies aligning and what this means for taking pressure off yourself

• How to live at “the level of love” by being who you're truly here to be

• How vedic astrology can help you parent based on who your child actually is (as they come “pre-loaded at the factory”)

• How your chart reveals your natural gifts, relationship patterns, and even physical characteristics with stunning accuracy

• The cyclical nature of life and why expecting constant progression is making us miserable and exhausted

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Dharma, Destiny & Divine Design: A Vedic Astrologer's Guide To Your Life’s Path

Episode Full Transcript

So, I don’t know about you, but I can tend to lose myself in the summer because I find my routine totally in the shitter. I’m home working full time with three kids, and it’s easy to get sucked into old patterns of martyrdom or burnout or controlling—feeling like a shell of a human because I’m covered in children. If you’re a mother, you might relate.

I’m really excited—and it was very much by design—that I decided to run a mini mastermind for mothers in July. Starting July 15th at noon Eastern, for four weeks I’ll be meeting with a group of mothers so we can reclaim our wholeness, vibrancy, and aliveness, and plug into a space that’s just for us during the season when it’s easiest to lose ourselves.

I’ve been working with mothers for almost 12 years now. When I started my career 11 years ago, I became a mom coach and worked exclusively with mothers, talking about the juggle for a really long time. I have a lot of lived experience in this topic, but I haven’t done a program on it in a while. I’m excited to invite you to plug into Whole Mother Rising this summer.

Week one: the belief is “You get to be you.” The theme is enough—being enough, having enough, doing enough. We’ll unlearn scarcity: internalized systems, capitalism, patriarchy, programming, conditioning, trauma, and mother culture. Week one alone is going to be a banger.

Week two: the belief is “You get to.” The theme is permission, and we’ll unlearn the rules.

Week three: the belief is “Space is safe.” The theme is space—taking it, having it, occupying it, feeling it. We’ll unlearn guilt, shame, and the ways discomfort speaks.

Week four: the belief is “Fear is the mind-killer.” That’s a line from Dune—I’ve quoted it before. It’s profound; I feel it in my body. The theme is freedom, and we’ll unlearn micromanaging and analyzing fear versus feeling it.

This will be weekly group coaching with me. It’s a pretty high-touch container for a really low price: $399 for four calls. There’s intentional pre-work I’ve journaled out for you in a PDF at the beginning, plus bonus resources, and a Voxer group to connect between calls. I’ll start every session with a grounding visualization/activation (my signature thing from my hypnosis background). You’ll plug into a community of moms who are noticing how the pendulum has swung—from our mothers’ generation unconsciously passing stuff down to kids, to our generation taking everything on ourselves and deciding we, the mothers, are the problem. We put all the pressure on ourselves.

If you want balance—finding the murky middle where you aren’t living in either extreme—and you want to be in my energy and paradigm (the way I do mothering is, I can confirm, a little different than pretty much every mom I know), come join us. We start July 15th. All the links are in the show notes. It’s GervaseKolmos.com forward slash mother dash rising. I’d love to see you there. It’ll be a small group, so join right away so you don’t lose your spot.

We’re not told this enough, but I believe you can be you while raising them. This program is designed to return you to that truth, to that belief, and help you align with it in a group of women with tools, modalities, and coaching from me.

All right, my loves—welcome back to an interview on the Modern Phoenix Podcast with Carol Allen, who has been an astrologer for a casual 34 years.

Carol: Give or take a month or 12.

Gervase: We are so lucky to have you here. We had a one-hour conversation about a year ago that I just rewatched because I’d never had this type of astrology reading. I’ve only dabbled. It felt like a psychic reading. It was a big deal for me—and it looked effortless for you. You were so in your natural zone. I’m excited for you to share a little of your magic with the listeners. Everyone here is astrology-curious at minimum, astrology-heavy at maximum. We’re going to dive into the cosmos. Thank you for being here.

Carol: Thank you for sharing that you found it helpful. Astrology is so rich, deep, and amazing. I’m a little biased about the system I do—Vedic astrology from ancient India. Pretty much every ancient civilization had a system (over 50 kinds). Vedic astrology is the most consistently practiced with no interruption and the most fully integrated with a culture. It’s astonishing. I felt like you did at my first reading: the astrologer told me my life story, when I’d marry, what job I should have. I was on the wrong track, and he said I was supposed to be some kind of spiritual counselor. I thought he was crackers. In India, this is thought to be very spiritual—you come in with a divine design and a map of your life, working with something much greater than yourself.

I love helping people remove the noise—“Why don’t I have this? Why hasn’t that worked out? I should have more, be more, do more”—which is a very Western problem. It’s an honor and gift to do this work.

Gervase: Even hearing you talk about it, my whole system goes, “Oof.” I feel how ancient it is. It doesn’t feel new-age trendy, which is refreshing. It feels like potent, ancient technology and wisdom. Can you explain how it works? What is it? Why does it know everything?

Carol: Most of us come to spiritual stuff via “soundbite spirituality” that brings people into the tent—like “Hey, Aquarius, you’re good with Libra and Gemini,” or “What’s your Enneagram? Human design?” That’s fine; then you can go deeper.

I wish I could speak for the universe, but my human understanding is that we’re all frequency beings. We’re energy; nothing is solid (physics knows this). The ancient writings (the Vedas, among the oldest books on the planet) talk about emanations of light from the sun, moon, and planets. It’s not gravitational pull; it’s energy, frequency.

Once on a plane, a guy in a suit told me he measures the temperature off stars in the aerospace industry. He said it affects everything—plant growth, our bodies, life itself. I thought he’d be open to what I do—nope. The head of a major observatory near me—same. But Carl Sagan was open to astrology. He pointed out we didn’t believe in continental drift until we could measure it. Gravity worked whether or not you believed in it. That’s astrology: emanations of light. Vedic astrology is also called jyotish, “science of light.”

We take our first breath at birth—our first independent inhale—and essentially inhale the universe. That moment imprints us: the positions of the sun, moon, and planets. That’s your celestial DNA for life. Your chart is a snapshot of the sky at your birth, divided into 12 houses (life areas). The sun, moon, and planets represent different aspects of you and your life. I don’t know why it works—it just does. I’ve talked to thousands of people; it never fails. It shows talents, gifts, relationships, parents, bones you’ve broken, whether you need glasses, if you smoke, addictions, sexuality, all of it.

Westerners struggle with the idea of a predestined dance card or train schedule because we’re taught everything is up to us. But was your hair or eye color up to you? Your height? Your parents? Where you were born? Your citizenship? These aren’t your “fault.” We have parameters—a spectrum of possibility. We can’t go beyond that spectrum.

People in L.A. ask, “Will I be a movie star? A big director? A millionaire?” If fame and fortune aren’t in your chart, you really won’t want them from a true place. You’ll want them from conditioning, to please parents, or ego. What’s right for us springs from our authentic selves—those are the things that will happen. A true heart dream is meant for you.

There’s a beautiful word from ancient India—dharma. Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly. We come in with a destiny, a path, a way to express our life force. For some (think Elizabeth Taylor or Kim Kardashian), it’s to be beautiful, have jewelry, be wealthy. People judge that as less spiritual than praying all day, but if that’s your dharma, you’re being just as spiritual as someone praying all day.

Gervase: Thank you for explaining that so eloquently. I was giving a training yesterday in my Inner Knowing Mastermind on the soul. I don’t usually use the term God—I’m spiritual, not religious; I vibe with Glennon Doyle’s “God is the water; religion is the glass.” But I kept saying: “God doesn’t care.” Meaning, what we’re here to do is notice what’s authentic for you. What’s motivating you—conditioning, shoulds, shame, guilt, trauma, fitting in—or your true self? If it’s true, God doesn’t care. Thoughts?

Carol: I think of “God” as the consciousness permeating everything. If you’re a Bible person, chapter one basically says God is omniscient and omnipotent—in everything. Scientists, the deeper they go, the more they believe something else is happening—order, intelligence, consciousness behind everything. The solar system is mimicked by our cells: the nucleus is the sun, electrons spin around—billions of solar systems in us. We’re made of stardust.

It’s not everyone’s life path to partner, or to partner once for life. Society has expectations; thankfully some are loosening (and some tightening). Everyone can be who they truly are and have relationships that fit. I love taking the pressure off.

Gervase: Such a good point about partnering—it’s not just about you; it’s about them too. Western hyper-individualism has poisoned our ability to have harmonious relationships. We defer to degrees and science as the only truth. Hello—you’re a piece of stardust. We lack balance between our dimensions. It’s one-dimensional: “Science wins,” “It’s just me.” But to be successful, you have to be part of an ecosystem of individuals and work with that.

Carol: True science starts with a hypothesis and tests without bias. Certainty shuts science down—and it’s a great life metaphor. When you think you know, be careful. In relationships, thinking you know and being the smarter person—yep, I’ve caused trouble that way.

As Westerners, it’s “What do you want, little Billy?” Great, but everything being on you isn’t making us happy. The U.S. ranks about 35th in happiness. Countries with communal life are happier. Balance autonomy with support. In Puerto Rico, 17 people pile in the car for a doctor’s appointment. Here, my parents both got cancer diagnoses alone. There are problems.

Astrology shows some are hardwired to be introverted lone wolves; others get success through friends (that’s my chart). Any time I’m in a jam, a friend saves me. If your path is that good things come through fun, you’re not being indulgent to have fun. For someone else, it’s degrees, money, or moving abroad. I love telling people what opens doors for them—and when. Your chart’s also a weather map: money season, confidence season, season of loneliness, season of love. My marriage was predicted seven years in advance. I thought I’d beat it—nope. By the time the seven years passed, I’d calmed down. Three days into the window—there was my husband, right on schedule. I was happy single by then and actually thought, “You’re early in the window—could you give me another month?”

How did people respond when you talked about God and the soul?

Gervase: I actually needed that module. I might move it up next time. It felt so good to go there; I could just channel. One woman asked, “Can you say more about ‘God doesn’t care’? I feel a voice telling me there’s a right and wrong, and I should feel guilty.” We went into religious dogma. I’m careful because women in my world have faith backgrounds. I don’t want to make anyone bad or wrong. But if guilt and shame arise when I say “God doesn’t care,” let’s explore what’s there from conditioning and religion.

Carol: The Buddha, Christ, Muhammad—enlightened beings in unity and heart consciousness. Organizations formed around them, then beyond them, and lived on after them. Organizations need rules and structure. Over time, dogma can overshadow truth. If God is omnipotent and omniscient and benevolent, it’s in everything—even in judgmental people and negative rules.

On “God doesn’t care,” my teacher Ernst Wilhelm says the most incredible things. We think we should always be kind and honest. But what if lying saves a life? What if you need to be harsh in an emergency to get people to move? Respond to each moment with the right action that does the most good. Sometimes that’s you being a jerk. In relationships, once I said to someone, “You never listen; I’m sick of it; screw you.” He snapped out of it and was amazing. He could finally hear me. It was better for the relationship than polite “sweetie” talk.

Gervase: You’re making me think about parenting. There’s so much conditioning about the “right” way to mother and speak to children. It mirrors the macro: separation, right/wrong, shame if you get it wrong. People can’t hear their inner wisdom or feel what’s appropriate—what to say, the move to make, the relationship to choose—because of dogma around motherhood, relationships, religion, spirituality, government. As soon as we’re judging, we’re separate—from others, from truth, from our hearts. It’s ego trying to stay safe. The more rigidly people cling to right/wrong, the more insecure they are.

Carol: If God is in all of it, truth is in all of it—how can we judge? Even when something “bad” happens: the farmer with the horse—“We’ll see.” Then the broken leg—“We’ll see.” Then the war—“We’ll see.” We don’t know. Our job is to love every minute, be in our hearts, and do the next right thing the situation calls for.

I bow to parents. Your kid is your kid from day one. The introvert kid is an introvert; the loud, bossy kid is loud and bossy; the demanding kid is demanding; the easy kid is easy—at zero and at 50. Stop blaming yourself for how they turned out. They come preloaded at the factory—that’s what their chart shows. Parent based on each kid: some need hands-off; some need hovering; some need structure and discipline; some need you to say, “I trust you; you’ll do the right thing,” and lean back.

Gervase: I can hear someone listening who doesn’t live this way and has relied on rules to get to success or survival. Maybe that’s helpful for someone more controlling or Type A. Or they’re just Type A.

Carol: “Know thyself.” I love all systems that help us understand ourselves—psychology, personality typing, birth order studies, family patterns. Knowing who we are helps us be on our own side. When you’re aligned with you, there’s nothing you can’t do. You’ll be the best mom and the best version of yourself when you embody yourself and are on your own side.

I’ve learned how much noise people have in their heads—how mean they are to themselves—no matter who they are: aristocracy, wildly wealthy, drop-dead beautiful, talented, famous. The noise is the same: Am I enough? Am I a phony? Do people care? Am I doing it right? We’re hardwired to be accepted by the tribe or die. The most attractive thing that makes people accept you is already accepting yourself. The best way to accept yourself is to know yourself and cut yourself a break.

I’m a little sister, with the nodes of the moon prominent and a weak Mercury (technology, information). I’m goofy, chaotic. My office is a disaster. I’m not great with detail or planning. My sister is amazing at all that—two-time NYT bestseller, always ahead on tools and tech. I could think “she’s better,” but I don’t. That’s her. I’m me. I bring a different thing: reading charts, woo-woo, surfing the clouds, pulling stuff down. We all have different gifts.

Gervase: That’s the best example. We need all kinds of people and souls. My work is giving women space and permission to untangle and clear the cobwebs so they can even know who they are—and trust that whatever they find under there, even if it’s different than Karen or the big sister archetype, is still enough. How do you recommend people use their chart to support that unraveling-and-reweaving process—the phoenix moment?

Carol: I love the phoenix archetype—everything burns up, then you’re reborn. Western culture assumes life is a progression—better and better over time. By X age, we “should” have this or that. People come to me with self-imposed deadlines: “By 40 I was going to…” What astrology has taught me is life is cyclical. We oscillate. There are times of expansion and contraction—night becomes day; day becomes night. In more contracted times, it doesn’t mean it’s over or you blew it or God left the building. It may mean it’s time to pivot, reevaluate, go deeper, or wait for spring. You might be in a personal winter, but spring always comes.

Vedic astrology has cycles; the dark phases are always followed by light ones—and vice versa. If you’re in a low point, it will get lighter. Many are scared now—the world is changing. History shows flux leads to something better later. Do the next right thing and trust the bigger picture—your life and the world’s story.

Gervase: Beautiful. We’ve lost the honoring of the other, of the earth, of complexity—anything not “science and rules and prove it and be the best.” It’s hollow and exhausting—unsustainable.

Carol: A Rumi quote (he wrote love poems to his spiritual teacher; he was a Sufi): “What is this love that has made me forget my practices?” When you have a heart opening and you’re in unity consciousness, do you need to pray, meditate, or do yoga? You’re there. I teach something called living at the level of love. When you’re being who you’re here to be, you’ll love your life. Doing what’s true for you, you’ll love your life. I don’t care if you’re a dishwasher—if it’s true for you, your heart will resonate, you’ll emanate that to the world. This has been scientifically studied: they can image your heart’s energy field and monitor your vitals. When you’re connected to yourself, your heart becomes magnetic—you attract people and good things.

Follow the truth of your heart. Trust and believe it. It will never fail you, no matter what studies or rules say.

Gervase: That makes me think about living a life and making choices that don’t “make sense.” I’ve had many moments where others didn’t understand my direction, but inside I’d check in and hear, “You’re good.” Money is a big one—people say, “I need to make money.” Same. And it requires deeper trust: in oneself and something bigger; trust that if it feels right in your heart, it’ll be okay somehow in a way you don’t yet know. Astrology feels like a way to make it gentler and more manageable for the person feeling trapped in the rules—to see a map that explains why certain choices make sense in the chart.

Thank you for your wisdom. Before you share how to keep in touch and follow your work, I want to acknowledge you. You may be one of the greatest spiritual women I’ve had the pleasure of sitting with. Everything you say feels like someone finally speaking sense in upside-down land. I credit a lot of my own de-brainwashing for why it lands, but I truly want to acknowledge you for being such a wonderful spiritual teacher—even in this conversation. The reading you gave me made me want to join the “religion” of Vedic astrology. I’ve never felt so seen—ever. I’m a human design devotee; it’s been my map and wildly helpful. But the way you read my chart felt very different than traditional astrology; it felt like a psychic reading. Thank you.

Carol: Thank you, and thank you for the beautiful work you do. I’m grateful to be here and have a conversation at this level. It’s really fun for me.

Gervase: You’re so welcome—come back anytime. Tell everyone how to support and follow your work. Where can they find you?

Carol: You can find articles, my newsletter, and really accurate, helpful reports—compatibility reports, an astrology calendar with symbols for every day of the year for you, a timing report, a “capacity report” that shows what you need to work on to show up better—at soulmadestars.com.

Gervase: Soulmadestars.com. Thank you again for your time, Carol. It’s been lovely.

Carol: Oh, thank you, Gervase. This was great.

Gervase: Thank you.

You Are a Soul Having a Human Experience

What if every challenging experience in your life—the difficult relationships, the heartbreak, the family drama—wasn't happening TO you, but was actually teaching you where you still needed to grow? This week, Gervase shares the spiritual psychology framework that has helped her reframe triggers, move through some of life’s most traumatic events, and no longer be affected by other people’s perception of her.

This isn't about spiritual bypassing. It's about understanding that you're a soul having a human experience, and Earth is literally school for your consciousness.

Listen to this episode now to discover:

• Why you’re a soul having a human experience, and how to view life’s challenges as a video game so you can move to the next level in your journey

• Why Earth Stackers (spiritual allies) keep sending you the same lessons until you learn them (spoiler: your triggers are your curriculum)

• 3 powerful questions to ask yourself when you’re feeling triggered so it no longer has power over you

• The difference between religion and spirituality that allows you to connect with the divine without the dogma

• How to shift from “I am upset because…” (victim mode) to “how can I take my power back” (spiritual boss mode)

• Why your most difficult relationships are actually your greatest teachers (and how to work with them instead of against them)

• The ONE question that can reveal your bigger intention in life

Hey Mamas, let’s be YOU again, while raising them:

Introducing Whole Mother Rising, a 4 week mini-mastermind for mothers who are ready to reclaim their power, purpose, and joy… without guilt.

Because the world has endless advice on how to be a mom, but almost nothing to help you be YOURSELF while mothering.

Check it out here: https://gervasekolmos.podia.com/whole-mother-rising

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You Are a Soul Having a Human Experience

Episode Full Transcript

Hello, my loves. Welcome back to another episode of the Modern Phoenix Podcast. I am Gervase Kolmos, inner transformation coach and your host, and I am really curious what you're going to think about today's episode.

Today, I pulled a training out of the vault that I have been going through diligently as I gear up to host a few programs and run the Inner Knowing Mastermind. I went through a program I ran called Legacy and found a module that I teach pretty much in every program I've ever run on the soul. Obviously, you know my work in the world is to help women align with their inner knowing, not just their brains, and the soul and the body are what we call inner knowing. I'm also noticing in my work with clients how much spiritual psychology is woven into the teachings that I share. If you're talking about soul, if you're doing soul work, what are you backing it up with?

I don't really resonate with a lot of spiritual teachers out there because I don't feel the need to make it one thing. I feel very open to this idea of the soul and spirituality and God and what it means to be in relationship with source energy and nature and the body and inner knowing. To me, it's all mystical and magical. You have to be on board with that if you're going to drop a little deeper than the scientific brain. Teaching my clients about spiritual psychology and giving them concrete tools and methodology to work with the soul has been part of what I do for a long, long time. But I realized there's not a lot of this content on the podcast.

When I rewatched this, there are so many really good questions from a client who gave me full permission to use her questions and her voice about how to apply spirituality and the concepts of spiritual psychology to your life. She asked me about when my brother died, I talk about my relationship with my mom, and how do we decide whether to have a third baby. These are the things we actually want to work for. We want these practices so we can take them into our lives and make better choices—make decisions as modern women. I thought this training had a lot of value for those of you looking for deeper context and foundational principles to build up your relationship with your inner knowing, to explore this concept of your relationship with your soul, and I wanted to share it with you today.

Keep in mind, I recorded this three years ago, so much has changed. At the time, my podcast was called It's All Me. I was really passionate about that framework, which is still woven into some of my teachings, but it's changed a bit. As much as I believe coaching and healing give women the opportunity to reorient themselves in relation to their trauma, stories, and challenging events so they can be in a place of power, at choice, and not feel like victims, I also really don't believe in spiritual bypassing or judging and shaming a woman who feels trapped in victimhood. My coaching practice, my framework—like me—has evolved in three years, and there's a much bigger component now that is about never shaming or blaming our human or soul. That is the cornerstone of my work.

There was enough space for somebody to misinterpret It's All Me, which is part of why I rebranded the podcast. I say something in this training—“indulging in victimhood and shadow”—and I am not sure I mean that today. I don't think I believe that, and I invite you to listen with discernment, knowing the person who recorded this still believes in pretty much everything I say, and I was passionate and speaking from lived experience. If there's a part that sounds like, “Huh, I don't feel like she would say that today. That feels bypass-y, judging, or shaming those who are in victim,” that was a part of me still working with my own relationship to being in victim. I wanted to name that, not to throw myself under the bus, but to make sure you’re listening with discernment.

When you're putting out content like this, it's easy for a person who is in a vulnerable situation—mentally or physically—to listen and take everything literally, put the person speaking on a pedestal, and make themselves bad or wrong. It's important in my career right now that nobody ever does that. Anyone who speaks about spiritual or healing concepts in a way that shames and blames the victim—I can't see how that is ever helpful. I also understand now, because of my focalizing training which I started right after this program, how much healing has to happen in community, how much we need each other, and how much we need messy, complicated relationships to heal. That's another reason why It's All Me didn't land anymore. I teach women It's All Me now from the lens of “all of you gets to fit in your life,” but no longer from “I am empowered and in charge of everything that happens in my life.”

I hope that gives you context and allows you to listen with an open mind, take the valuable spiritual concepts in this episode, and apply them to your life in a way that makes sense for you. The questions were so good. The examples were relatable. It's a high-level, high-value training. I hope it serves you. I hope you feel more at peace, more grounded, less pressured and stressed about your healing or your life or your choices or wherever you are. Nobody has arrived at exactly where they want to be. You can take away this trust that the right thing will come your way when you're ready to receive it at the right time. That gives me such a settling of my nervous system. My foundation in spiritual psychology has given me that.

Let me know if you want more content like this—more spiritual stuff. I'm a pretty deep, soulful person, and I notice this part of my teaching is usually reserved for inside my paid container. If there are specific questions or concepts you want me to dive into, I would love to hear your feedback. DM me on Instagram at @gervasekolmos, and let's see how we can apply these concepts to your life as a human in the modern world. I love you. Here we go.

Welcome to Module Four, my personal favorite, called You Are a Soul Having a Human Experience. For me, this is the book: it's called Loyalty to Your Soul by Ronald and Mary Hulnick. This was the first book I was given by my mentor eight years ago, and it was my launchpad into everything I stand for and believe today. The way the book is written is by an older couple, so a lot can get lost in translation when 70-year-olds are talking to a 30-year-old. And yet, as I reviewed the concepts in preparation for this call, I was in awe of how much of my mission and message—what I hope every woman I connect with takes from our work—stems from this book and the principles of spiritual psychology.

My goal is to give you a broad outline of what it is and what it means to me, and then give you some examples. Spiritual psychology is the study and practice of the art and science of human evolution in consciousness. I’ll say it again: the study and practice of the art and science of human evolution in consciousness. It is a way of life that makes spiritual awakening the cornerstone of one's purpose. The tagline, which I say all the time, is: you are a soul having a human experience. Spiritual psychology leads with the belief that we need to bring the psyche—the soul—back into psychology because it’s been taken out over time. Then we also have religion. What often happens between clinical psychology and religion is that the soul gets lost in transmission. We can understand psychology and how behavior and the brain work, and we can understand religion, but the goal of spiritual psychology is to put everything into a soul-centered context.

To recap, my belief and experience have taught me that Earth is a school that souls come to for the evolution of consciousness. Let’s talk about religion for a minute. My personal experience: I was brought up Roman Catholic. I’m the oldest of four, very Catholic family, Catholic schooling, huge family, extremely Catholic. All I knew up until spiritual psychology was religion—Catholicism, dogma, and other religions. I moved from New York to South Carolina at 16 and my aperture widened to many other religions. The problem for me was a lack of internal connection. I felt like I was reading a history book or a math book. There was nothing about these religions that connected to, “This is an inside job.” In the book they describe religion as a vehicle—a path that takes you to God and your soul. Over time, and this is not shaming of religion, religion often separates people and separates connection to God. It says, “My connection is the right way and yours is wrong.” That left me in a philosophical quagmire. How can I say Catholicism is the right way and someone in India raised on Hinduism is wrong? Who am I to decide the correct path to God?

I started to feel God and connection to self and source were absent for me in the way I experienced religion. When spirituality entered my realm, it was the perfect time for me to accept a different worldview. I loved that it’s all about connection to the soul and source. Religion is the vehicle or channel that gets you to God, source, soul, whatever you want to say. Spirituality cuts right through it. Spirituality is an awareness of the sacred reality of the divine essence within and beyond all creation. I’ll read that again: an awareness of the sacred reality of the divine essence within and beyond all creation.

This speaks to when you hear people say, “I am love, we are love,” or “I am a drop in the ocean and the ocean is in a drop.” It’s the idea of oneness and connection—there’s something we can’t see that is divine and magical. Call it what you will, but it’s there. Spirituality calls that out and says, “Yes, that is there, and I’m here for that.” The channel that gets me there is irrelevant. The religion has nothing to do with this because the sacred divine is within me and all around me. On my journey to exploring what I believe about God, religion versus spirituality, it was the first time experiencing spiritual psychology that I could see, “Oh, intuition—that is something I feel, know, and sense within me that I can’t see and can’t explain, and nobody spoke about to me via religion. I’m here to explore this.” The soul’s sixth language: if you’re a soul having a human experience, it uses the five senses, and intuition is the sixth sense of the soul.

Spiritual psychology is about using the soul not only as the destination, but also the vehicle, and the belief that you are a soul having a human experience. You are the vehicle even if you don’t have a religion. You came to Earth with this vehicle to reach divinity, higher consciousness, deeper connection with intuition and God, and it is within you—your soul. You’ll hear me refer to spiritual curriculum. Relating to the events in my life as my spiritual curriculum has totally changed my life.

What I had been doing before was categorizing my life: here are the good things and here are the bad things, and I don’t really know what to make of the bad things. Before I found spiritual psychology, let’s take my brother’s death. Here’s a bad thing—it happened. I hear the Catholic dogma around death and it’s not resonating. So I’m still just putting things into buckets: good and bad, right and wrong. Here are the choices I made. I dated this guy for a long time, so I guess that was a bad choice—versus what spiritual psychology teaches: it’s all soul school, all earth lessons. There is no good or bad, no right or wrong. Your soul came here to learn a lesson. Don’t worry about anybody else’s lessons or how it fits into the bigger picture. What did that relationship that ended teach you? If you’re not looking at how unfair it is that your brother died early and what religion says, what did you take? What can you learn from your brother being taken before his time?

I changed the lens through which I viewed my life. It became less about things happening to me and whether they were right or wrong, good or bad—that put me at the center of the universe. The ego seeks to make itself right and be the center. Instead, I got curious. I looked at my experiences from curiosity, neutral—no good or bad. Because of that, I pulled lessons from them. The example I give is a Nintendo game. There’s a book, Busting Loose from the Money Game—another out-there book I pulled a few things from—with the same idea. If you’re not thinking about religion or everyone else, and you look through the lens that this is all soul school, you can look at your life as a video game. “I wasn’t sure whether to move. I made the choice, and now this is hard. If this were a video game, this is the next level. Here are the challenges. How do I beat this level?” It’s not by bypassing your experience or deciding the move was right or wrong; it’s saying, “Whatever’s coming up for me at this level, that’s soul school—my spiritual curriculum. To beat this level, I’ll get curious about how I’m relating to these challenges and learn and grow.”

Question from client: “How does ending a relationship or losing your brother—heartbreaking—how do we not think of those as bad? How can we not be like, ‘This sucks’?”

I love this question because the misunderstanding is that you don’t get to be human. The other key component of spiritual psychology is you are a soul having a human experience. The human gets to say, “This sucks.” The human gets to feel feelings fully without judgment. That is step one. Step one is awareness that this approach exists—that it’s possible your soul is here having a human experience, and spiritual psychology could be a path that resonates. Then you go about your life as a human, and Russia starts bombing Ukraine and killing people. You go, “What in the actual…? This doesn’t feel good. This is not right.”

No part of what I stand for is bypassing the yuck or bypassing the natural human reaction to heartbreaking tragedy. Where spiritual teachers go wrong is skipping the fundamental step: let your human be a human. Let your human feel feelings. If we weren’t meant to feel feelings, why do we have them? Rage, anger, grief, disappointment, fear—if they weren’t meant to be felt, why do we all feel them all the time?

It’s about loving and accepting your human where she’s at in the moment. Of course when my brother died I was devastated. Understanding that feeling your feelings fully is part of the process. Giving yourself love and compassion is part of the process. Then the second part is, “Okay, this thing is happening in Ukraine and it’s so sad. What can I do? Who do I choose to be today in a world where this is happening? What good can I do?” With my brother: I’m not going to say “things happen for a reason,” but how helpful is it for me to go about life believing life doesn’t matter, it’s not fair, and I don’t get to live fully? One day I decided: I had felt it enough—cried, grieved, raged. My human was exhausted and freed. “Now who do I want to be? What’s here to learn?” If I can make it neutral, acknowledge, feel it, release judgment, come back to self-love and compassion, then ask, “What’s here for me to learn?”—then it became: post-Thomas’s dying, I traveled to Peru. That was my second or third time listening to intuition. It was clearly: go here, do this, have this experience. It was healing my human and opening something in me that needed to be opened.

Client: “Sometimes that sits next to insensitivity. Like, your brother just died and you’re going to Peru?”

That’s a great question. I don’t think that—but the key lesson is it doesn’t matter if you think that or not. It’s my one precious life. This is my soul school—my spiritual curriculum. Part of my curriculum has been letting go of other people’s definitions of me defining my choices. That comes from conditioning, a deep-rooted belief that I’m only as good as others’ approval. A belief that taking care of myself and taking full advantage of my incredible life makes me selfish—a theme we’ve talked about. The older I get—then I have children—I think: let them think I’m selfish.

I’m going on a retreat on Wednesday. When I did this seven years ago, I did it even though it was uncomfortable. The voices were loud: “What will people make this mean about me?” One lesson of my curriculum has been: what do you think about you? Can you stand for what you think about you? As a mother leaving a legacy, nothing could be more powerful than choosing for yourself what is true for you. It gets to be different for everybody because everyone is having their own experience—everyone’s in their own Nintendo game.

If in my Nintendo game this experience keeps coming up, and I desire it but deny myself because of other things, that’s not helping me show up in integrity with my values as a mother as my kids get older. Such good questions.

Another thing: spiritual laws are universal. Just like gravity, they exist whether or not you think they do. The earth being round—people didn’t used to believe it, but it was round regardless. The perspective I lead from, without needing to convince others, is that spiritual laws are universal. Me being a soul having a human experience—that’s fact for me. These spiritual laws go on regardless of others’ beliefs. I’ll keep bringing in the mindset shift. This has been huge—what I stand for. This is what I mean by It’s All Me: it doesn’t matter what others think; it’s about me. It doesn’t matter what’s happening; it’s about how I respond. My spiritual growth can be gauged by the results I feel within me and how I choose to lead my life.

The goal of spiritual psychology: learning how to lead and relate to your life in service to your soul’s curriculum. Again, I am what I can control. It’s all me. It doesn’t matter others’ perception of me. It doesn’t matter how bad this thing is or where I’m at in grief or confusion—as long as I’m operating from the understanding that this is a curriculum my soul came to work through, I’ve got me. We’re going to be okay. It gives the opportunity to use everyday experiences as rungs on the ladder of spiritual evolution.

Coming from Roman Catholic and corporate America, where it was all about external ladder rungs—how holy are you, how many sacraments, how much does your job pay, did you climb the ladder—I checked the boxes. When something challenging happened—when my brother died—those things were useless. When life actually happened, those things were useless. In deep inquiry about purpose, next steps, people in my life—those things were useless. I kept feeling: I see these work for others, but for me it has to be an inner guidance system—an internal ladder. The rungs have to be internal so I’m more at peace with my choices, more tuned into my desires, what I can control, what I want, who I’m becoming. The ultimate goal is to find your way home.

Often, when I have women on coaching calls, they’re looking for the final goal, destination, solution out here. I will bring it back here. I’m not saying the outer world doesn’t exist or matter. I am saying the only path to freedom, inner peace, and leaving a legacy that feels true and strong is coming home to self-knowing, self-compassion, and self-love.

Based on what I said—the ego likes to make experiences good/bad, right/wrong—you learn quickly that a soul doesn’t categorize. If you’re seeing through soul, you’re not separating experiences into good and bad because the soul sees all experiences as learning opportunities. Everything is earth school. Coming back to Christina’s question: my brother dies. I didn’t know any of this when he died, though a lot makes sense now. My human feels all the things. Later, once I learned this, it was like, okay—I felt the things. I loved and lost. I grieved. I raged. I was down and out. Now I’m alive. What’s here for me to learn? What did this horrible tragedy teach me about what I want, who I want to become, the legacy I want to leave? It created an opportunity for deep growth and expansion as a human. I took the road less traveled that I would not have taken if I hadn’t had this loss. I went to South America, then back again. It became part of my soul—an experience I was meant for.

Another piece of soul school that’s important—we’ll move into the shadow and light side—is anchoring the principle of not judging the self, human, feelings, or dark, and accepting the duality of being on earth. You’re on a ball of rock hurling through space. You are a soul and a human. You will have light and dark. Days of effervescence and joy and ease, and experiences of darkness, heaviness, and shadow. What if it’s all here to teach you? What if it’s all here for you? That’s critical.

From there, we move into Earth Stackers: what they are and how to heal them. According to the book, consider the possibility that you have spiritual allies who stack up potential events in accordance with your earth school, spiritual curriculum, or karma. They take these potential events and send them to you at opportune moments in support of your spiritual growth. We call these Earth Stackers. Stackers are instruments of your soul. They guide you—not always through ease and joy—through the lessons you need to learn.

Taking my brother’s death: if I’ll say this isn’t good or bad, I’m not saying it happened for a reason; I’m just saying, “This thing happened. What is the direction of spiritual growth this is sending me toward right now?” The lessons were immense. Or look at a family member who had the same experience I did but who doesn’t believe in Earth Stackers, who doesn’t believe she’s a soul having a human experience, who believes life is cruel, the world is hard, it’s not fair, she has no control, and this bad thing happened. She is entitled to her own experience. I trust she is a soul having her own human experience. But if you follow the idea of Earth Stackers, she will keep being served “life is cruel, this is hard.” The Earth Stackers continue to send her those events that line up with that curriculum, because what she is here to learn is that life is not good/bad, that she can always come home to love, that it’s all me—I am what I can control, I get to choose, I have options, I get to be human and a magical speck of stardust. Every challenge is an opportunity for her to take her power back from self-defeating beliefs that keep her suffering, frustrated, and disconnected from her soul.

There are a million options and choices you could make. Your privilege as a human is you get to make them. I have this conversation a lot with women—let’s say drinking. A client says, “Today I drank the wine. I didn’t want to. I feel bad. I should stop.” What if there are a million ways to relate to the wine? You could drink with the perspective it’ll be a fun night. You could drink with “I’m a victim.” You could give up wine for a lifetime. You could do a cleanse. There are so many options. We get stuck thinking here’s the laid-out path versus thinking less of a specific bullseye and more of a state of being.

The goal is total ownership over your life. Not to separate experiences, choices, or events into good/bad, but to take the higher perspective: this is all set up for learning; I’m coming home to self-love and my soul; what is the experience my soul is here to have, and what are the million ways I can get to it? There’s a saying: what is meant for you will not pass you by. At the beginning of my spiritual journey, I felt pressure: I see two paths—the “good” path of spirit guides and soul and God, like “have a third kid,” and the ego is terrified. The truth is I could not have a third kid and still reach my destination—total self-love, self-compassion, self-responsibility. I don’t need to make this or that choice to reach the end goal of who I want to be, how I want to feel, and how I relate to life. If there’s a lesson in having a third baby and I don’t choose it, I’ll get that lesson a different way. My Earth Stackers will send me that lesson. It’s not that it will hurt; it’s that there’s soul school for me, and I could get it this way or that way. My soul may be like, “I want this,” and I might say, “No.”

Client: “So whether you have the third kid or not—or drink the wine or not—have power over the decision and make it align?”

That’s it. What’s meant for you isn’t going to pass you by either way. Your Earth Stackers—spiritual allies who keep sending you experiences to learn what your soul came to learn—will find another way to send it.

Another example I share is my mother—my relationship with my mother, which I’ve been candid about. From age 20 to 30, it was super challenging. Looking back through the lens of spiritual psychology, I can see what I was meant to learn: how to be there for myself, validate myself, mother myself, forgive, and see someone through a lens of non-judgment. My ability to truly see someone I felt the most animosity and resentment toward through non-judgment allows me to do my job really well. Those ten years of suffering—tumultuous back-and-forth communication—once I decided, “It’s time to face the music. I’m taking ownership of this relationship. What is here for me to learn?”—tuning into my soul and asking, “Okay, Earth Stackers, what is here? How have I given my power away?”—that becomes the question.

I often relate Earth Stackers as triggers. When you are in the midst of an Earth Stacker sending you something—a trigger—ask: how have I given my power away? What idea, belief, lie, or story have I fed that causes me to feel like a victim in my own life? At that time, it was: “My mother doesn’t think I’m a good person.” I was feeding the wolf that believes I’m a bad person, I let people down, I disappoint people—my mother, my husband, my kids. And it kept coming up.

When I faced it and asked, “What is the lesson that keeps coming up for me?” it was like, “What if I didn’t disappoint my mother? What if my mother’s disappointment has nothing to do with me? What if my only job on this planet, as a soul on this earth, is to not disappoint myself?” How does that change my emotional charge around this relationship?

You do it once—it’s rocky and sloppy—but you get there and everything’s great. Me and my mom are so good. Then of course your Earth Stacker says, “I call bullshit. There’s power still given away to this relationship. She needs her mom to need, validate, believe in her.” I’ll send another telegram—another experience where her mother shows up as the perfect character actress invalidating who she is. Immediately, I’m triggered and upset. My human freaks out. Then I remember: “Wait, I did this before. Where have I given my power away? What story am I telling? What have I made her beliefs mean about me? What do I choose instead?” This is the work. Do it over and over until one day your mother sends something and Earth Stacker’s like, “It’s been a while; let me make sure,” and you get a nasty email. You read it and say, “She must be really scared right now. She’s feeling helpless. I have compassion. Maybe I’ll send a card or give her a call. Then I’ll go back to my work because I’ve got work to do. I’m leaving a legacy. Eyes on my own paper. I know what my soul is here to do. I’ve learned that lesson.” It feels amazing.

However, I had to go through a lot of Earth Stackers to get there. I had to be willing to receive the assignment. Often what happens, as they teach in this book, is the ego says, “I am upset because…” and then seeks to justify why it’s right. “I am upset because…” is a total victim position and the perfect solution by which the ego can engage in negative behavior and still be right. Versus It’s All Me—personal responsibility—the foundational key that opens the door to freedom. It’s up to me. It’s within me. It’s about me and my perspective. That is the curriculum my soul came here to learn.

Whether it’s fair that my mom sent me a nasty email doesn’t matter. She is in her own video game. I have one assignment: learn the thing and be the full expression of what my soul came here to learn—which I know because I keep getting the lessons. I keep seeing how I’ve given my power away to the story that I disappoint others. Come back to me. What do I know is true? Do the work on the stories and thoughts so you can return to self-responsibility. Why? Not because you’re a good person or better than your mother. Because you have work to do. Is this productive? We’re concerned with productivity, but when we talk about doing the work internally, we get caught up in triggers, old patterns, beliefs, conditioning, and spirals. We don’t stop to ask: even if I’m justified—“I’m upset because” and I have a good reason—is this productive? How is this moving me forward, moving the needle on the legacy I’m here to leave, who I desire to be, and my highest consciousness? It’s not. It stalls you.

Client: “When you get that email—do you set a boundary? How?”

Such good questions. Obviously this process isn’t always A + B = C. There are a million possibilities for how I could respond. With a client, the first thing I ask is: what’s your intention and desire with your mother? I’ve had clients who truly don’t want a relationship. Okay, we proceed differently. For me, intuitively, it’s “No, I choose this relationship. I choose to have this woman in my life.” Not because I’m better than someone who doesn’t—I just know that’s the path for me. It’s the legacy I want: a relationship with my mother. There’s something here for me. Usually, if we’re choosing something, there’s a payoff and I get the rewards. As long as I’m choosing the higher perspective, I benefit from this way of relating.

When you get a nasty email, first be clear: what’s my intention with this person? What do I desire? What’s aligned? Then respond. Because I want a relationship, and I see how it plays out now, I say, “She is triggered. She’s acting out, inflamed—spiraling, freaking out. She doesn’t have the tools to handle this.” I’m not responsible for catching it. I used to catch the hot potato and burn my hands and say, “Look, I’m a good daughter,” and my hands were charred. Now, she throws the hot potato and I step aside and it hurls over my shoulder. I wait: “I’m here when you’re done.”

It’s kind of like dealing with a two- or three-year-old. With kids, our intention is beautiful, nurturing, loving relationships. Does that mean we let them treat us badly? It depends—kids are kids—but we set loving boundaries. “Yes, I know you want candy for breakfast. How about a muffin?” It’s not “You don’t get to ask me ever again,” it’s understanding they’ll ask because they’re little humans. We have the intention for who we want to be, and we show up that way.

Client: “And when you set that boundary, if the person isn’t used to it, they test it, right?”

Exactly. It circles back to the beginning: it really doesn’t matter how that person reacts. They’ll have an opinion. All that matters, if I’m playing a video game and my soul is here for an experience, is: what move do I make next? I don’t need to worry about what the other person does when I set a boundary. I need to be clear on my intention, on what I will and will not receive, and on the move I need to make next. It simplifies so much. We get distracted by others’ ideas, judgments, opinions, or reactions—when we can’t control them anyway. Come back to your center, intention, legacy. What do I need to do right now? What choice do I make today to align with my legacy? I don’t know what she’s doing; it doesn’t matter.

Another interesting piece with current global crises: some people are called to serve this crisis; that’s their mission. If all of us focus on the crisis, we’ll miss the person who has something profound and progressive to say about what’s happening. Or if a person who is supposed to be a guide, leader, truth-teller is overindulging in the shadow, they won’t be there for their soul’s work. They won’t show up for what God needs them for. I think about this often. Make it micro for a second: before I could feel confident as a coach, I had so many stories—“Because of my depression, who am I to do this?” I was indulging in fears, shadow, human. Women were coming into my field who could benefit from my work, but I was too blind in self-doubt and self-criticism to help them. Now, when I have a moment of overwhelm, I focus on service. “There are women coming to a call today. We get to shift the paradigm together.” That is more important than me wallowing today.

On the macro level, it can feel like it doesn’t make a difference. But every human making micro shifts—moving from victimhood to ownership—is what moves the collective. It allows healing voices to come out through the crisis. Suddenly there are solutions, speakers—we see them, hear them. They use their light and voice because they’re not worrying, “Shouldn’t I be over here grieving?” Everyone gets to say, “What is happening is awful”—that gets to be a normal human response. But then spending the next year dimming your light because you feel like, “Who am I to…?”—that’s the slippery slope.

The last thing I’ll say, a reminder about Earth Stackers and the hard stuff and dark stuff, is that challenges show you internal unresolved issues inviting completion. Going back to my mother: “I feel super triggered by my mother’s email.” That’s okay. You get to feel triggered. Now bring the mindset shift—the spiritual psychology ideology—into your process. Step one: feel it. Step two: “I trust this is showing me unresolved internal something. There is something here for me to take my power back from—a belief, a wounding, an idea.” Now I get to complete the next level of this Nintendo game. I get to do the work on this belief.

The stackers know that how you react in a challenging situation is determined by what you believe. What you believe is essential to the quality of your everyday experience. This is why belief work matters. Your choices will be based on your beliefs.

I want to end with a quote from Emerson: “To different minds, the same world is a hell and a heaven.” That reminds me to live in the gray, to get out of duality thinking—right/wrong, good/bad. Three kids could be the most abundant blessing, or you could cry for a year when you find you’re pregnant with the third kid. One silly example, but it’s proof there’s no such thing as right or wrong, good or bad. It’s all soul school.

This perspective has become the framework of the way I live. The beliefs, ownership, self-responsibility, the awareness and curious perspective that the Earth Stackers send me lessons and triggers—and that’s okay. I get to be a human and choose, stay in my own lane, clarify my intention, move through it, get to the next Nintendo level. That means more joy, peace, and abundance in my life—and that’s what we’re here for.

All of that leads to doing the work. The work is journaling, hypnotherapy, sitting with it. We’re getting there. How we do the work: it would be a disservice to say, “Do eight weeks and you’re done and blissed out forever.” No. There’s no rushing the work. Trust that it finds you when you’re ready. The Earth Stackers send it when it’s ready to be healed—when you’re at a place in your consciousness to work through it. How you do the work varies: journaling, coaching conversations, therapy, hard conversations with your partner, hypnosis tracks, walks in nature. It depends where you are and what you need. Before you bring your highest self to the how, you need the foundational how. This is the foundational how.

There have been many times I’ve walked myself through this. It didn’t come up when I was in a coaching course at first because my mind was exploding from putting on different glasses. Then you walk through the world and see through different glasses and everything is different. The work you would have done five weeks ago you’ll look at totally differently five weeks from now because you’ve changed your perspective. Trust that it will find you and you will be guided to the right thing at the right time. You’re doing the work by being here. It’s already happening. The lessons will show up for you in accordance with your soul’s curriculum now.

Client shares: deciding whether to move came quickly, and my Unwavering Trust hypno track helped. It became clear over time this is where we need to move and why. I was praying too, but I wasn’t doing anything else.

We think it’s a lot of doing. That’s a huge mindset shift: the external doing isn’t as productive as the internal doing. Listening to a hypnosis track every day—it gets to be that easy. It’s mind-blowing that it came to you when you were ready, for free. We get caught up in the how—who to hire, how much—versus trusting the right thing will come our way in the way we’re ready to receive it at the right time. It’s a lean-back approach of trusting your spiritual guides, Earth Stackers, and the universe. The other option is futile: spinning wheels to do where there’s not a problem, creating problems where they don’t exist.

That’s it for spiritual psychology. Thank you for letting me bring you into my world of spirituality. I hope it serves you as much as it has served me. Let it ruminate. Give it a minute. Maybe listen again. Know what’s meant for you will not pass you by. What you need to learn from here and moving forward will circle around and find you.

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