Permission to Be Who You Are: Human Design for Mothers, Makers & Dreamers with Erin Claire Jones
What if the reason you constantly feel drained isn’t because you’re doing too much, but because you’re doing things in a way that goes against your natural design? Most of us are running on empty, trying to force ourselves into systems and rhythms that work for other people—but not for us.
This week, I sat down with human design expert and best-selling author Erin Claire Jones to explore how understanding your unique energetic blueprint can transform how you work, love, and live.
Erin breaks down the practical magic of human design and shows us how to stop forcing and start flowing. She reveals why most of us have been conditioned to work against our natural energy patterns, how this creates burnout and disconnection, and the simple shifts that can help you honor your design. She shares practical insights for all 5 human design types and explains why this system is less mystical theory and more practical life manual.
Listen to this episode to discover:
What human design is and why it’s the most practical system for understanding your energy and intuition
The 5 human design types (Generators, Manifesting Generators, Projectors, Manifestors, and Reflectors) and how each is designed to move through the world
Why Generators and Manifesting Generators need to ask “Do I really feel excited about this?” before saying yes to everything
How Projectors can build successful businesses and raise families without burning out (spoiler: it’s about working with your energy, not against it)
Why Manifestors need freedom to do things their own way
Why energy management is more important than time management
How to use human design to understand your partner and kids on a deeper level
About Erin Claire Jones:
Erin Claire Jones is one of the world's leading experts in Human Design. Through her coaching, content, and digital products, she has empowered hundreds of thousands of people to overcome their biggest obstacles and find their flow at work, in love, and in life. Her personalized guides have been purchased by customers in over 160 countries. She has spoken on stages across the world, and her work has been featured in Forbes, Elle, The Sunday Times, Vogue, Allure, Nylon and more.
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Permission to Be Who You Are: Human Design for Mothers, Makers & Dreamers with Erin Claire Jones
Episode Full Transcript
Gervase: All right, my loves, welcome back to the Modern Phoenix podcast. I have Erin Claire Jones here for you. I finally brought you a human design expert—so many people have so many questions. I literally have a list. Everybody on this podcast has heard me talk about human design till the cows come home. I never shut up about it—on my podcast, in my coaching containers, to my friends, my children, my husband. I am a super fan. I’m so honored to have you on. Thank you for your time and for this beautiful book, How Do You Choose, and for your work in the world. Welcome, Erin.
Erin: Thank you so much. I’m so happy to be here.
Gervase: Erin Claire Jones is one of the world’s leading experts in human design. Through her coaching, content, and digital products, she has empowered hundreds of thousands of people to overcome their biggest obstacles and find their flow at work, in love, and in life. We’re both landing here. I’m always happy to connect projector to projector. You said you’re arriving from school drop-offs and the thick of motherhood. You have an eight-and-a-half-month-old and a two-and-a-half-year-old. My community knows I have three kids—my youngest is five—and I never feel like I left the thick of it. Projector to projector, how are you, really?
Erin: I feel good. Having a young baby and launching a book at the same time was a lot. I’m not sure I’d do that again, but honestly that’s how my life happens—everything all at once. I feel happy to be on the other side of the book. I’ve been going really hard for quite a while, putting myself out there a lot with the launch. I live in the Hudson Valley; the weather is beautiful. My toddler is about to stop Montessori for the summer, and it feels like more space is opening up. I feel hopeful and excited, but I’m still landing from all I’ve been through. It’s been a wild year.
Gervase: That is a wild year. I always tell mothers: give it two years before you feel like yourself again, like really yourself. You get some of your energy and life back, and things are a little more stable. To have a baby and a book that’s only—what did you say, three weeks? Oh my gosh—three weeks old. You’re in it.
Erin: Yeah. And it’s funny—I stopped breastfeeding when I got pregnant because my toddler just stopped one morning. She was like, “I’m done.” I haven’t been not pregnant or not breastfeeding since February of 2022. There’s this question of, who am I outside of nourishing children in this way? People go much longer than that, but it’s been the most tender time of my life. I also wonder, is there vitality available someday on the other side of this?
Gervase: There is. As a projector mom, you get more and more vitality back—and the energy, you know? That’s what I wanted to start with: energy. Human design found me maybe six years ago. I’d heard whispers of it, but what hooked me was the idea of working with your energy—that you have a unique blueprint for how you’re designed to operate. I always felt I had less vitality than others, even though I was conditioned to be extroverted and go-go-go. I had a lot of burnout and confusion about whether vitality was even available to me. Having my chart read and learning I was a 5/1 splenic projector changed everything. It gave me a permission slip and a map. That’s what your work does too—a map and a toolbox. It told me: no one’s expecting you to stop building your business or raising your babies—those clearly light you up—but you have to find a way to work in rhythm with your energy. Do you hear that a lot? And can you introduce people to what human design is and the five types?
Erin: You described it beautifully. Human design helps us know how our energy moves. We often look at how others do things and think we should have the same energy, build businesses like them, parent like them. Human design reminds us we’re all wired differently. It’s not meant to tell us what we can or can’t do—like “you can’t be a mom or run a business because you’re a projector.” It tells us how to do it best: how to structure our days sustainably, how to find opportunities in flow rather than force, how to know what’s right for us when it comes. It helps us move with who we are, not against it.
Whatever our design, many people come to me living the opposite of it. A projector trying to be a constant doer, or a manifesting generator trying to have just one passion—we often don’t feel permission to be who we are. Human design is a massive permission slip to show up to every part of life more authentically. Not only will it feel better, it will probably be more successful.
For those new to it: human design is a system based on your time, date, and place of birth. It reveals your energetic blueprint—how you’re wired to move through the world: decision-making, structuring days, finding opportunities, leveraging strengths, moving through challenges, and more. It’s as mystical as it is practical. “Birth information” might sound whoa, but the information itself is often mechanical—how you’re meant to make decisions, how you do well being asked questions, what works for you socially. I love the practicality.
If it doesn’t resonate, I never try to convince people. What matters most is not whether it’s true, but whether it’s useful. Listen through that lens. If it feels useful, try it. If not, let it go. You might come back later and see it differently.
If you want to look up your design, go to humandesignblueprint.com. You’ll need your birth time, date, and place. An approximate time is okay. Or just listen along. The five types are manifesting generators, generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. Type is the entry point. You might share a type with someone close and still be totally different in your details. Before I dive in, do you know your kids’ designs?
Gervase: Yes. My husband is a generator. My oldest is a splenic manifester. My second is an emotional projector. And my third is an emotional manifester.
Erin: Wow—two manifester kiddos.
Gervase: Right? And my husband is the only generator—bless him.
Erin: Thank goodness for generator partners. Let’s dive in. Manifesting generators and generators make up the majority of the population. That doesn’t mean they’re not unique; it’s just the first category before we get more specific. These two are the doers—so much boundless energy to make things happen when they feel genuinely excited. When they’re lit up, their energy is through the roof and they can make things happen powerfully.
A big lesson for both is boundaries. Because they have so much capacity, they might find they carry a lot—at home and at work—because they’re so capable. Just because they can do something doesn’t mean they should.
Gervase: That’s what I underlined in the book and starred. I see that in my husband. And even for me—I know if I give him something, he’ll go and go and go. I literally said to a client yesterday—she’s a reflector—that just because you’re good at it doesn’t mean you should exploit it constantly.
Erin: One hundred percent. It’s about becoming discerning with their energy and checking in with their gut to see what they genuinely feel available for. As partners, ask: do you really feel excited to do this? Do you have the energy for it?
Between the two, manifesting generators tend to be very multi-passionate—moving among many passions at once. They’re fast and often make things happen quickly. Generators are really here for mastery. They can do many things, but it might look like: today I dive deep into this, tomorrow into that. The example I use in the book of a generator is LeBron James—steady mastery, infectious passion. Nothing beats being around a lit-up generator; they light up the room. Their energy is consistent and reliable. Ideally, they wake up with energy, expend it in satisfying ways, and drop into bed delightfully spent—like “I left it all on the field.” Rest before expending their energy well often doesn’t feel great. Expending it well is the pathway to satisfying rest.
Gervase: That hits the nail on the head for my husband. Isn’t there also something about how you ask questions of a generator—yes/no?
Erin: Yes. Generators and manifesting generators are gut-driven. They often have a visceral response that signals whether they’re available for something. The best way to access that is to ask specific yes/no questions. As small as “Do you want to go out or cook at home? Pasta or salmon?”—like talking to a toddler sometimes. Or bigger: “Does this job feel right? Do you have energy for it? Is the timing right?” It’s not that you can never ask open-ended questions—they often love to talk about their passions. It’s more when they’re deciding whether they have energy for something; posing specific questions speaks to what they really feel.
Gervase: Everything you’ve shared is so applicable. As a coach and projector I lean toward open-ended questions and deep curiosity. But with my husband—especially when he’s winding down, “delightfully spent”—I used to say, “Now let’s have a deep conversation about our hopes and dreams.” He’s like, I don’t have it in the tank. He’s capable of open-ended questions, but based on his energy level and overwhelm, too many options can be overwhelming. It’s cool to think about being more specific.
Erin: Exactly. Depending on other parts of the design, open-ended questions can get them into the realm of endless possibility. You’re asking a thing they actually know, but the way you ask doesn’t pull it out. Many generators and manifesting generators have felt indecisive—it’s not that they don’t have an answer; the way they’re being asked isn’t bringing it forth.
Gervase: The noise versus the knowing.
Erin: Yes. Specific yes/no questions are the path for these types. I’ll often sit with a generator who talks around a decision for ten minutes and feels unclear. Then I ask, “Do you want to do it?” and they’re like, “No.” They already knew; the direct question revealed it.
Gervase: Okay—projectors. You, me, my middle—and Taylor Swift, right?
Erin: And Taylor Swift. Projectors are natural leaders, teachers, guides, coaches. We’re good at making others feel recognized and seen, good at asking the right questions. We love systems like human design—anything that helps us understand people better—because we already understand people deeply. A big lesson for projectors is disentangling worth from how hard we work or how much we do. Our gift is not in constant doing; it’s in our perspective and how we see. Ideally, we’re valued for that—in coaching, human design, parenting—rather than output. We do well with space, rest, and pause. It will look different in different seasons, but it’s vital. Part of being a projector is paying attention to who deeply sees and recognizes you without you trying. Where we’re genuinely recognized and invited is where we’re meant to put our energy. Let that invitation guide us—who’s ready for us and when.
Gervase: Every time I hear it, I feel so seen. It reminds me who I was before human design—seeking in all the wrong places: validation, belonging, proving, forcing myself to be something I could be, but at a cost to how I felt. Can I tell you about my last 24 hours? My husband is a marine biologist; he travels at sea for five to ten days at a time for six months of the year, and he’s gone now for a couple of months. This is when I really test: can I align with my energy and human design and still be the mom I want to be and show up for my business?
Yesterday I woke at 4:30 and couldn’t go back to sleep. I got my kids up at 6:30, to camp by 7:40, came home at 8 with my five-year-old still home, and felt like my brain needed to be washed. I had a whole plan, my sister was coming with her little kids, the works. And I was like, nope—I have to sleep. I put my son in front of the TV and slept from 8 to 10 because nothing I could create or any family time would benefit from me not sleeping. I woke at 10; my sister walked in. The plan flipped and I pivoted—baked muffins, made coffee, enjoyed the family chaos. Dishes, cooking, meals, crying—five kids in the house. I actively showed up for that without worrying about work or feeling bad that I’d slept. Around noon I shifted into work mode and prepped for this interview. It wasn’t about doing less or more; it was about trust and permission threaded through my day—always pivoting to follow the energy when it’s available because I trust how much good comes from that: juicier moments, better work, better mothering, better family time. Am I doing it right?
Erin: Only you know, but yes—it sounds like you’re honoring where you are and what you have energy for. We can’t always do that as projectors—you might have a big talk you must show up for—but you do what you can. The energy is not always on. The wisdom I hear is: you had things you wanted to create, but trying to create from an unwashed brain—exhausted—won’t generate your best work. You don’t need to force it. Projectors often push to keep going, thinking more doing leads to success, but creating from a place of low resources doesn’t yield our best and makes it harder to access our gifts. Waiting until the energy is there means you’ll make it happen quickly and at far better quality. It’s worth waiting for. Ideally, we create enough spaciousness to listen to where we are. We ignore nudges and “muscle through,” but do we have to?
Gervase: Some projectors say, “I can’t—my job, the season of parenting.” I tell friends and clients: if you even consider designing your life around your energy, there will be icky parts where you reverse engineer and undo things that aren’t working, then plant seeds and wait for them to grow. In my current season, I planted so many seeds when my kids were babies. I held the dream and vision, showed up, structured my days, and learned from so many mess-ups. Like, “I won’t put them in camp; I’ll be with them every day and casually work from home”—then realizing after a summer that doesn’t work. For anyone discouraged, unlearning is part of realigning. It counts. It’s worth it. You may need to wait longer, but it’s better than pushing misaligned.
Erin: Sometimes we can get away with ignoring our design, and then we reach a point where we can’t. Becoming a mother brought me face to face with my projector-ness more than anything. My energy is for sure not unlimited. I desperately need help. Alone time is essential—even five minutes on the bathroom floor. Discover what works for you. I hear you moving from authenticity, not shoulds. “I should be doing all this stuff,” but that’s not where you are right now. It’s not always feasible, but be as connected to your truth as you can.
Gervais: And I trust I’m building toward something meaningful and aligned—for the world, my kids. The trust and potency matter.
[Mid-episode note from Gervais:] Just popping into this awesome interview with the amazing Erin Claire Jones to let you know: if you’re listening to her talk about human design and want to go deeper into your own design and apply it to your life, patterns, and relationships—know that as part of my one-on-one private coaching packages, I include two one-on-one custom human design readings with my local expert, Erin Matthews. She’s been in my community for years and is a former client. This is part of how I guide you once you’re working with me. As soon as I’m working with someone, I need to know your human design, your authority, and everyone in your family—I coach people that way. I tend to call in a lot of projectors and coach them very specifically (I have two manifestors in my family and a generator, as you’ve heard). I’m not an expert—Erin is—so go to her site for all the amazing resources, tools, and her book. But if you want to dabble and apply it to your personal growth and transformation, know it’s included in my private mentorship packages and woven into how we work toward your intentions, transformations, goals, and relationships. I’m obsessed with it. Okay, back to the show.
Gervase: Someone asked about “discerning rest periods.” It makes me think about our culture’s obsession with energy—indoctrination and internalized capitalism. We don’t see how we’ve been brainwashed to believe we’re more machines than nature. Energy is glorified. I remember five to seven years ago—exactly where you are—feeling grief that I’d never get my energy back, that I wouldn’t belong, matter, be relevant, or successful, as if the main thing you need for those is energy. Now I trust it’s about authenticity and alignment—discerning rest periods and then intentional sprint periods, like your launch. I know when it’s a sprint I can do it, but I’ve been training for this, planting seeds, tilling the soil. The end result isn’t just raw energy; it’s authenticity—the potency of the energy, not constant 24/7 doing. Can you speak to that?
Erin: Totally. More is not better—for projectors and, honestly, for all of us. The quality of my energy and work when I’m overdoing—filling every moment—is not great. It’s hard to tap into my gifts when I’m not rested. When I honor my energy and take rest and alone time when needed, I feel more connected to my gifts and more effective, inspired, and insightful in the moments I’m working and sharing. On discernment: for projectors, stay connected to what you have energy for. Create checkpoints throughout the day to step back and ask, “Do I have the energy to keep going?” Sometimes it’s a full yes; other times it’s time to step back. For generators, discernment is less about rest and more about commitments: do I genuinely have the energy for this task? When the energy is there, they’re the most powerful, but they may say yes out of obligation or a desire to please. Trust that a wholehearted, gut-led yes is worth waiting for. Across types, human design helps us become more discerning about where and when to put our energy.
Gervase: Sometimes we think, “I’ve got the energy now,” and then realize later we overdid it. I’m a sloppy learner—I do it wrong a lot to get the message. I have to look back and see the moment—like answering 20 texts for 30 minutes when I could’ve gone for a walk—that was the moment not to do it, even if I had a coffee high. Let the period of trying be part of aligning with your energy: try doing more, notice how it feels; try doing less, notice how it feels. In the last six months I’ve been more discerning in work and personal life. If I have texts and Voxers from clients, I can check in: I have energy now, but it’s just enough to get me through bedtime. If I spend it at 3 p.m., I’ll leave it all on the floor and still have a long way to go. It’s been a beautiful arc—try, notice the energetic arc, refine, repeat.
Erin: I often remind people of the value of experimentation. Build breaks into your day. Don’t book back-to-back. Say yes to fewer commitments. See what happens. As a projector, I’m still tempted to overwork, and yet my experience is: the more I allow rest, the better everything is and the more opportunities come my way. It’s worth experimenting to find the rhythm that works for you.
Gervase: So good. Okay—manifestors.
Erin: Manifestors—like your youngest and oldest—are innovative and disruptive (in the best way). They’re here to tread their own path and do things their way. They’re not here to be guided or told what to do, which isn’t always easy with kids. They feel comfortable setting the terms of how and when they do things. As a mother—I have an eight-month-old manifester—it’s about setting boundaries that make them feel as free as possible while still being safe. Manifestors love freedom—what they want, when they want, how they want. They’re great at kickstarting new ideas but not always at sustaining them. Their energy—like projectors, but different—is bursty: on fire followed by a pullback to rest. They shouldn’t expect consistent momentum. As a parent, check in on what they have energy for and model boundaries yourself: “I’m not always available; I need moments to myself.” Manifestors are actually the only type meant to make the first move—following urges. Do you observe that?
Gervase: Oh, so much. My oldest’s inconsistent energy is wild. I’m helping her notice and honor it without shame, while also teaching her to work within family boundaries—like, “You’ve been reading in the downstairs room for 12 hours, and I love that for you, but now we’re having dinner with Grandpa.” I notice her urge for freedom could go far, and I’m into it—ride your bike, disappear for the day, never have a phone till you’re 25. But I also want her to be part of a family and friend group authentically.
She recently switched from elementary to middle school—big deal. There’s a selective arts school (middle and high school) that’s audition-only. I was raised by a stage mom; I’m very artsy but had no connection to the joy of the arts until I was 38—I’ve been reclaiming it as an adult. I don’t push it on my kids; I try to let my manifesters lead me. My oldest had no arts training and said, “I want to go to School of the Arts.” I felt like it might be her first splenic moment. She led; I followed.
We opened the application. She was going to do writing, but I looked at the essays and thought, maybe not the vibe—people work on those for years. I said, how about theater? I think you have raw talent. Long story short, we prepared a monologue, but her rehearsals kept getting worse. One day she said, “Mom, can I just do it my way?” I said yes. She did it—I laughed, I cried—and remembered she’s here to lead herself. She went in, got in, and it’s been beautiful for our whole family. Sixth grade is when I really started parenting her with her manifester design. She started dance mid-year—most start at five. I told her, “You’re supposed to skip steps; you’ll be fine.” I’m watching her thrive—become obsessed and just do the thing. It’s so cool.
Erin: Amazing. Knowing our kids’ designs is useful not to control them but as a lens to observe and support. Like: she said she wants to go to that school—very intuitive, clear knowing. Honor it. Or, “I’m over-guiding her through this audition; she’ll probably do better her way.” There are so many small ways it helps us look at people. With my eight-month-old: at two months she started rolling over, breaking out of her swaddle, only sleeping on her belly. The internet says no belly sleeping that early. I tried flipping her, called my pediatrician: “What do I do? She keeps flipping back; she’s really early to be rolling.” The pediatrician said, “You let her be.” I was like, what an awesome pediatrician. She said, “You can’t do anything. She knows what she wants. Make it safe by taking the swaddle off.” It reminded me: she’s a manifester—ready to move, strong, powerful. Let her do her thing. Human design is a helpful lens to see why something might be happening and how to support them through it.
Gervase: How can I support them through this. Yes—so beautiful. Okay, reflectors.
Erin: Reflectors are our mirrors, our evaluators. They see, sense, and feel things many people miss. They mirror back the quality of a space or community and let us know how it’s going. Their perspective is invaluable. It’s so important for them to be ruthless about where they spend time and with whom because they feel it deeply: cities and towns they enjoy, schools that feel good, offices, bedrooms—environment matters. Reflectors are fluid; they may express their purpose in many ways over life, and their look might change in many ways across, say, high school. They’re not here to box themselves into one expression. Allow their natural fluidity and vastness.
Gervase: I was working with a reflector yesterday and told her to buy your book. I started underlining so much because it’s the one type I know the least about—I don’t have any reflectors in my life. What’s so helpful about your book is how it’s broken down: type; how to make decisions; how to be you at work and in relationships; how to support someone of each type in relationship. It’s so tangible. To me, that’s the difference between human design and astrology. If someone doesn’t resonate with their design, it can feel like astrology—overwhelming and hard to apply. I’m into astrology too, but I find human design more straightforward. Your book makes it so applicable and practical. That was your intention, right?
Erin: Yes—to make it very usable. Most people don’t want to learn human design; they want to know what they need to know about their design to transform their life. I have many students and teach all the details if you want them, but that’s not what most people want. Until now there hasn’t been a book focused on practical application; it’s been textbooks. I love textbooks—but human design can impact more people beyond that. I wanted a resource manual you return to: “I’m struggling with a decision—remind me what to do,” or “I feel out of alignment in my career—open projectors and career,” or “I’m struggling with my partner or kid—read about them.” It’s been cool to see people read it who’ve never been exposed to human design—they’re open to a new way of doing things and want to understand decision-making. It’s accessible.
Gervase: Could you wrap by sharing about intuition? That was the second most important piece for me—understanding my authority. For someone curious about making decisions aligned with their intuition, how does human design help?
Erin: I titled the book How Do You Choose because so often we don’t know how. We feel paralysis because we don’t know how to tap into our intuition or inner knowing. Human design—through a piece called “authority”—helps us know how to tap into our intuition, what it looks like for each of us, and how to know what’s right and when. Some people, like you, are meant to act on spontaneous, fast, quiet insights—because you’re splenic authority. Your intuition comes quietly and quickly, without reason—it might be a voice, tingles, a knowing. You’re meant to become quiet enough to hear it and courageous enough to act on it. Others, like me (emotional authority), find truth over time. I’m excitable; I have immediate instincts and feel differently the next day. I assess what’s true by feeling a decision over a couple of days—what stays true, where excitement grows. Some people find truth by talking things out; some need a full month. We all access knowing differently; human design gives us a reliable method. As someone who’s meant to decide quickly based on intuition—has that been true?
Gervase: Life-changing. Rest and decision-making were life-changing. I suspected this was how my intuition spoke to me, but I was confused whether everyone felt it that way. I needed the language. When I heard splenic authority described, nothing felt more true about my experience, but no one had explained it. I was midway through my journey of coming home to myself and knew intuition was a piece I’d been playing with for years. I’d felt this quick knowing—my friend calls it “know and go”—and wondered if that’s how everyone experiences it. Hearing it named gave me a deeper yes. Now I live my life this way. For my daughter I say, you’ll know right away—how does it feel, what do you hear—and then you’ll go. That’s not how everyone hears it, but it is how you’re meant to hear it. For my emotional daughter, I’m learning: ride the wave and come back. Take your time; we’ll revisit. Having it named is huge for someone trying to align her life—and her kids’ and clients’ lives—with inner knowing. Between energy and intuition I’m like: there you have it—go out and conquer your life. You’ll be fine.
Erin: One of the hardest parts of writing the book was choosing what to include. I wrote 150 pages that didn’t make it in—heartbreaking, but necessary. I asked: what pieces, if you know just these, can transform your life? Everything else is helpful additions. To your point: when you know how to honor your energy rhythms, create opportunities in the most aligned way, and tap into intuition to know what’s right—you have the full package. Everything else deepens and eases the path. With those three locked in, you’re flowing authentically, finding your way to the right things, saying yes at the right time, and working sustainably. Those pieces alone can totally change your life.
Gervase: It’s enough—more than enough. For anyone discouraged—feeling like they don’t resonate—know you have enough. You have everything you need in this book. Make small, simple changes. Start with energy or intuition. Erin gives the frameworks. It’s enough to radically transform your life so it feels good—not just looks good, which is what I’m after.
Erin: One hundred percent.
Gervase: Erin, I want to acknowledge you. As an entrepreneur, I really see you. I’m moved by how much you’re doing that’s aligned with your purpose. I know it feels like a lot right now, and also the work is potent. It’s transformed my life, and I hope your book and work transform the lives of many more women coming home to their inner knowing, energy, intuition, and vitality. Thank you for your time. How can people keep in touch, work with you, and explore their design?
Erin: Thank you so much for having me. If you want the book, you can get it anywhere books are sold. It’s called How Do You Choose: A Human Design Guide to What’s Best for You at Work, in Love, and in Life. My website is humandesignblueprint.com. We also sell custom guides personalized to your design and chart there, and you can use the discount code Phoenix. On Instagram, I’m @erinclairejones and @humandesignblueprint. The discount code also applies to our course if you want to learn it all—it’s a great place for that.
Gervase: Amazing. We’ll put it all in the show notes. Do it, guys. Thank you again for your time. It’s been lovely, and I will see you soon.
Erin: Thank you.